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Yesterday's van today.

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Yesterday's van today.

Postby Jon » Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:48 pm

Last weekend I had the pleasure* of driving round numerous drunken volunteer firefighters and their equally inebriated partners for an out-of-town celebration. With 120 guests in attendance and just under half of them requiring transport, I managed to cover 300km through repetitive back and forth journeys one evening and this was my steed:


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A (2005) Mitsubishi L300, something that dribbled out of the sales brochures in Britain at the turn of the millennium. This is the face lifted model which I'm pretty sure wasn't made available in the UK. As you can see, the cab-over seating position and Leslie Ash bumper treatment make for a comedy front overhang.


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Not sure how useful such an addition would have been with a 4x4 Fun*Bus version, a la I.K.B.


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Round the back, very little has changed since its launch in 1986, bar some colour coded bumpers and slightly updated tail lights. Not sure whether a LWB was available at launch but this is one, for 'Scatter's spotting notes. Note also that this is a diesel version; more of that later. If little has changed outside, I doubt that anything whatsoever has happened inside. Luxury passenger compartment with bonus foot warmer for central front row passenger:


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Aged yet inoffensive dash, though the pointlessly massive steering wheel centre was lol-worthy

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No column shift here! Still has the steering column snaking between the pedals, to fend of any rally driving tendencies. Ill-fitting floor mat is a nice addition - I guess the foot rest was a bit of an afterthought and the guys at the waffle mat factory weren't notified.

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All the red paint, grey vinyl and exposed screws on the dainty grab handles took me straight back to my Dad's povo-spec 1988 Daihatsu Domino (it didn't even come with the natty wheel trims, which I coveted at the time).

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So, I'm sure you're all wondering what it was like to drive? Well, I have to confess that I did a similar thing for a wedding a few months back and had used this very same van at the time but hadn't had chance to take any photos. Back then, the weather wasn't great and as a result, it wasn't too enjoyable. Initially, the susceptibility to cross winds was striking, as was the general feeling of unease which comes with sitting right above the steering wheels and encountering your first high speed bend. It did feel fast, though and the gear change seemingly had a very short throw. Naturally, for such a recent van it came with power steering, which is neither lifeless nor communicative, just OK.

This time (as you can see from the photos) we'd been experiencing a long hot dry spell, the type of which makes driving anything on mostly clear roads enjoyable. It seems to handle better with a full load and acceleration doesn't appear to have been too affected, though naturally I was favouring smooth and steady in these situations. When it was empty though I gave it some beans and on one particular return trip I decided to see how fast I could get it on the long straight in to town; an indicated 145km/h, so not too shabby at all. I even managed to overtake Mrs_Jon in her 205 just after leaving a stop junction when returning it the next day, though she reckons she was daydreaming at the time. Cabin noise was loud in these situations but that's to be expected in something without a bulkhead or any effective sound deadening. Naturally, the stereo was crap despite the modernity of a CD player but then I've managed to take or leave music in my cars (most I've owned haven't had one in when I bought them, or were equally crap and weren't upgraded) so I just switched it off and enjoyed the slight whistle of the turbo, instead. Brimming the tank on return seemed to suggest 27mpg economy, though I was driving more for speed than budget and I reckon it would've made 30+mpg very easily, so not too bad for a brick.

All in all, I reckon I could live with one of these. Our long term desire for a home built camper van could quite easily be realised with an L300 but I've a feeling that the ones within our budget would be far less enjoyable, or rapid. Plus, it only takes one look at a European van before the layout seems hideously outdated. Fellow firemen reckon that drivers don't fare too well in crashes in cab over vans but then if I fretted over such issues, I'd sell all our old cars tbh. What really won me over was the utilitarian yet adequateaspect of it and the feeling that nothing whatsoever would cost a fortune to replace, unlike many new vans. And that's the thing - you can still buy these brand new over here (albeit petrol only)!

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http://www.mmnz.co.nz/l300/

RRP seems to start at £15000 but I've seen new ones locally one offer for nearer £120000.
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Re: Yesterday's van today.

Postby Leonard Hatred » Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:21 pm

I didn't realise these were still available new! They must sell a lot in Africa, South America, and other territories where a simple, unpretentious, easy to maintain van is required.
£12k sounds appealing, A Peugeot Expert window van is £16k+VAT.
The lack of hyperbole on their website was refreshing, 'til I found this bit
Better handling means better driveability

Another advantage of our rally-inspired design is that it gives L300 the ability handle sharply.
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Forward control Japanese vans took a nose dive in the 1990s in the UK, you see a few late Mazda E-series and L300s but I haven't seen much registered after 2000. Maybe the related Hyundai H100 was one of the last?
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Re: Yesterday's van today.

Postby I.K.Brunel » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:11 pm

No karaoke machine? Not interested.
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Re: Yesterday's van today.

Postby Amazo » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:32 pm

Mazda's Bongo Brawny is still in production albeit not for long, since they announced last year they aren't making commercial vehicles anymore.

And then there's this Mitsi oddity: the Dodge 1000, built in Taiwan and exported to Mexico.

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Re: Yesterday's van today.

Postby start » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:34 pm

Baigent Motors! My first job after leaving school was there 1965, Hillman, Humber, Chrysler and David Brown dealers. Then later those funny Japanese cars started to appear. The importer/assembler of Rootes and Chrysler products (Todd Motors) saw the future and started to bring in Mitsubishi ckd kits.
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Re: Yesterday's van today.

Postby Jon » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:46 pm

Len, I'm not sure whether they still sell these in the African markets but if they don't they really have missed a trick as I'm sure it'd tick may boxes. Agree with the refreshingly ordinary text in the website, though this bit was also quite laughable:

L300 is also safety conscious, with side impact-resistant beams on the sliding doors to protect passengers and cargo.


Yeah, let's not worry about that front cab bit, where 100% of the time there's guaranteed to be someone there.

Amazo, if this all feels a little too modern for you, I think you can still buy one of these new in Indonesia:

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http://www.ktb.co.id/produk/view/12/mitsubishi-colt-l300

start, that'll explain the early Hillman Minx tucked away in the corner of the Baigent showroom then; looks a little inexplicable amongst new Mitsubishis. In fact, there's a whole heap of chod hanging around the place, including an early L200 and Marina van in sludge green and a very tidy XD Falcon ute the first time I hired the van.
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Re: Yesterday's van today.

Postby I.K.Brunel » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:47 am

Interesting to see just how spartan these things are in 'minibus' guise. I would have thought that New Zealanders would demand a little more luxury (or at least less expanses of painted metal).
Compare the plushness of the KARAOKE FUN BUS, built more than a decade earlier...
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Outside, to highlight Jon's point, you can see little has changed, even though this one is bedecked with some jazzy trim
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These vans are a bit of an oddity really - they have superb manouvrablity and once you get over the initial pitch/roll and the weird feeling that comes from the steering going on under your bum... but they are a bit wobbly and the thought of crashing one is frankly terrifying. Instant foot amputation k thx bai.
I guess this is why the forward control type vans are no longer offered in Europe, either by regulation / NCAPS or perception. They are incredibly prevalent in parts of the world where speed and handling are second to space & durability - I have seen some pics / vids of FUN BUSSES doing some fairly frightening-looking adventuring - crossing wobbly log briges over jungle gorges etc.

I tried to use this eveidence to convince 'Er Indoors (and to an extent myself) that a KARAOKE FUN BUS is an ideal vehicle, but realistically that's not true in the UK today.

I shall have to find another fascinating van-shaped vehicle to fulfil my boxy-transport needs...
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Re: Yesterday's van today.

Postby Jon » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:02 pm

I.K, I don't think I've ever seen such a clean example of a Super Exceed over here, as most suffer from solid yet scabby bodywork and paint and are most often seen with the rear seats ripped out in favour of a home made bed base with cheap mattress and driven by tourists seeing NZ on the cheap for 6 months. Forward control vans are still extremely popular here but I think that's caused by the fact that they're so prevalent still in Japan, which is where most things on wheels hail from on NZ roads. Here's the current Hiace, for instance:

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I've not driven or even been in one but I'm guessing that they're a lot more plush inside than the L300 but herein lies the rub; prices for these crocks start at $47000 - £25000 + at today's current exchange rate!! There's also a widebody version which is more in line with the width of European vans but from what I've heard, reliability isn't great on the current model, so I could see allegiances changing to other marques over time. After all, isn't rugged durability the main reason somebody buys a Hiace? This is probably the reason why Mitsubishi still plug away with the L300 here, though I think their market is mostly self employed workers or retired gents who still actively potter and want something that'll see them out.

My neighbour has upgraded from a 17 year old Nissan double cab ute to a brand new base spec LWB VW Transporter van in the last couple of weeks and is absolutely smitten. I'm not sure of final price but he's Dutch so was very price-led and managed to bag it for a fair chunk less than a base spec Hiace; wise investment*,I reckon.
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Re: Yesterday's van today.

Postby I.K.Brunel » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:55 pm

Some great L300 adventure shots here:
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Floating Across by fexlboi, on Flickr

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DinoEvos new floating device by fexlboi, on Flickr

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Camp Spot by fexlboi, on Flickr

CRIPES!!!:
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Last Crossing by fexlboi, on Flickr

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Untitled by fexlboi, on Flickr
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Re: Yesterday's van today.

Postby Leonard Hatred » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:20 pm

I like the karaoke van style L300/Delica, what's the price of a decent one?
I find the later style ones a bit 'tarmacing specialist'.
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